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Kamikazexkyle




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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Wed 02 Jul 2008, 03:52

Hi, first let me introduce myself I'm Kyle A.K.A. Kamikaze Kyle, I'm 17 and currently reside in the U.S.

I'm new to any form of dancing; however, once I saw the shuffle I could not get it out of my mind. I would more than appreciate any advice.

P.S. The Shuffle easily trumps the local guido frolic.

Thanks for your time and help
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Wed 02 Jul 2008, 16:19

Hi Kyle welcome to the forum.

For someone who's new to dancing, the best place to start is just simple exercises to strengthen your foot and calf muscles, they're the ones that get the most use with the shuffle, then your legs.

You can do this easily by following the T step tutorials (Big Milan, Len and Ambydos) at the begining of this thread. Try all of them they each have a slightly different style.

Just take it real slow and easy at first. Spend a week or two just getting your feet to move on the heel, then toe.

Your muscles will be sore for a week or so to start. Don't push it too hard or else you'll tear the muscles. It's better to take frequent short breaks every now and then, rather than go hard for 30 minutes then stop.

So to start go for maybe 2-3 mins then have 5 mins break. Do that for about 15- 30 mins depending on how fit you are. Then start extending the times at your own pace each day.

What we're trying to do here is build up the specific muscles associated with Shuffling.

Once you get your feet moving a bit, you can start with a bit of bouncing, to get your body used to the up and down motions of Shuffling.

When you jump a bit all your weight hits the ground in a sudden jolt. This can cause all sorts of problems with your back, hips knees and ankles, so in dancing you use your muscles to ease your weight hitting the ground.

The muscles act like cushions, so your bones don't just go clunk Wink Think about it as you do it.

Try a small bounce. Use your legs and the ball of your foot (toes) to spring you into the air and when you land, land on the ball of your foot, ease down with your heel, and let your legs absorb your body weight, by bending your knees a bit.

So skipping for instance is a great way to get those leg muscles stronger and start get your balance right, like these Brasilian shufflers do in the vid below.

If you're at school, try asking your sports teachers for some specific exercises to build the right muscles for your body type. Generally sports teachers are really happy to help anyone who asks.


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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Fri 04 Jul 2008, 03:58

Thank you
You are right, its a musscle memory thing. Thanks for your help and patience.
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Fri 04 Jul 2008, 10:51

No worries, let us know how you get on Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Wed 09 Jul 2008, 21:31

hi mr. admin,
thanks for your info/help & sorry for the late reply.
you've help me alot!
im glad if you can watch & comment on my latest video! Wink

http://mso1.cultureforum.net/my-latest-vid-f7/naqi-aka-haunter-mas-t96.htm#326

thx~
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my second video after 3 weeks of shuffle!
please give me some comment.
i hope i can improve! Very Happy



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No way, only 3 weeks !!! That's great. And tackling the stairs too like Bo Jangles, well done.

I'm gonna post this on the main site, fantastic.

You'll be fine, once your body starts getting used to the moves you'll sharpen up and get a bit of spring into your feet. But that's just practice building up your muscles. You've got the ideas happening thats the big part, reversing the running man, and spins are well timed and interesting moves. and the stairs, it really gets you thinking verticaly as well as horizontal. Nice to see someone stop playing tennis to join you in a shuffle too Wink

Very nice little video production there to, great music choice right down to the end credts, well done Smile

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Garry wrote:
No way, only 3 weeks !!! That's great. And tackling the stairs too like Bo Jangles, well done.

You'll be fine, once your body starts getting used to the moves you'll sharpen up and get a bit of spring into your feet. But that's just practice building up your muscles. You've got the ideas happening thats the big part, reversing the running man, and spins are well timed and interesting moves. and the stairs, it really gets you thinking verticaly as well as horizontal.
wahh..thank you so much! I really appreciate your comment cheers Now i gonna practice harder..hehe

Garry wrote:
Nice to see someone stop playing tennis to join you in a shuffle too
That is my little brother..XD

Garry wrote:
Very nice little video production there to, great music choice right down to the end credts, well done Smile
Thanks,that was my first video editing Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Sat 12 Jul 2008, 17:28

Hey umm i'm new to the shuffle and just found out about it on you tube, and stuff. So I was just wondering if you help me out with it.
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Sat 12 Jul 2008, 18:14

Sure, what would you like to know ?
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Sun 13 Jul 2008, 09:20

Well I want to know some Info on how much pratice i should do a day ect.. stuff like that.
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Mon 14 Jul 2008, 14:03

Hi jester2290, and welcome to the forum too Wink

There's no fixed amount of practice, it depends on your physical fitness to start with. If you're pretty active and play sports etc then you could do 30 mins a day without too much worry.

If you've done no real exersise, then take it a bit easier and work your way up to 30 minutes.

It's not like you're trying to loose weight or something, so you don't need to go for 20 mins straight to work up a sweat.

All you need to concentrate on is flexability and strength in the muscle groups you use for dancing. As a side effect of this activity, you'll loose weight anyhow, but your focus is on flexibility and strength.

So for instance if you're standing in the kitchen waiting for the kettle to boil or whatever, get your feet moving for a couple of minutes. The famous martial arts champion Bruce Lee would do small stomach muscle crunches, while sitting in his car waiting for the lights to turn green Smile

So for starters try just a couple of minutes at different times throughout the day, and when you're feeling stronger, increase the time. Then plan for a good 30 min workout practice.

Remember to rest after this stuff too, to allow your body to recover. Like I mentioned, this is not something to try and loose weight, you want your muscles to grow and your body to become more flexable. If you push too hard you can damage your muscles.

Your age has an effect on how much you can do as well. Teens will always have periods where they suddenly grow and have lots of energy, then will just sit around the house for weeks until the next burst, in your 20's your muscles and energy levels are reaching their peak. By late 20's it's all down hill Wink After your 20's your muscles start to wear out, and too much exersise just makes this happen faster. Pro athletes are usually well worn out by 40 and have the same bone and muscle problems as someone not a pro athlete in their 50's/60s.

Plus your genetic make up plays a role. The body type you are, which is inherited from both sides of your family. Some body types are great for dancing with good flexibility, others better for body building with greater emphasis on strength and body mass.

Also have a read through the previous posts about warming up and down, stretching etc. And if you're at school ask your sports teacher/coach for some exercises that will suit whatever your body type is.
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Tue 22 Jul 2008, 14:07

im new to shuffling it looks really fun i want to know where to get the pant and some good shoes from

im in the us and not many people do it on the east coast i think im the only one in my city that might know how to do it
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Wed 23 Jul 2008, 05:49

wow all that info helped alot i have only one question,
i have only shuffled for a total about 3 hours last 2 days :'D i have got the hang of the shuffle and still pretty slow and way to laggy with the running man and i still have some dificutlies switching between them adn i still have some hard time timing it with music but im told not to do doing that yet:P, now here is my question. is that at least with in the normal time it takes to learn
that cuz i relly wanna be a pretty good shuffler around Cristmas. and now i know you will say it depends to the indivitual but please maby that info about my progress can help you tell me how long it will take. ^^



ps. maby a little tip how to make my running man more smooth?? ^^


sorry for bad spelling im from iceland not that good in english and to top that i have a danish keybord :'D
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Wed 23 Jul 2008, 22:35

hey welcome to the forum tristan, your english and spelling are fine Wink

You're doing pretty good, especially if you haven't had any dance training. You can spend 6 months just getting to the point where you don't trip over yourself all the time Very Happy

Just learn at your own rate, is the best way.

Mainly you need to get your dancing muscles stronger. That helps you become more fluid. And don't be afraid of trying to dance to the beat. That's the single biggest difference between breaking (Break dancing) and shuffling. In break the music is like background music to the tricks and moves. With the Shuffle you dance to the music, it's not background.

All the shuffle moves were created to the music, so you will find that the beat will naturally fit your moves after a while. But don't go for a fast hardstyle track straight away, work your way up to it with some slower music.
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Wed 23 Jul 2008, 22:43

K!ll3r wrote:
im new to shuffling it looks really fun i want to know where to get the pant and some good shoes from

im in the us and not many people do it on the east coast i think im the only one in my city that might know how to do it


Hi Kill3r welcome to the forum. Try this topic for phats (pants) they're availible online and pretty easy to make if you check out tailors or costume makers in your area.

http://mso1.cultureforum.net/phats-f6/phats-online-t20.htm

You're like a lot of shufflers around the world being the only one in town. But it's growing, see if your towns on the MSO Shuffle map, there maybe some others in town
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Thu 24 Jul 2008, 02:12

ohh knew you would say somethig like that but i guess it helps though, good to know that about the breaking haha never noticed that before i even wanted to do breaking before i heard about shuffling, just makes me wanna do shuffling even more. i have always thought that breaking is just for show and has none of the passion and freedom ive been looking for, and i can see that in the people on youtube i can feel there passion for shuffling when i see them do it, it makes me want that too plus its just sweet Very Happy. thanks for the help ill be sure to ask more questions when i have some, thanks alot Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Thu 24 Jul 2008, 13:44

hehe, yep, there's no way around doing the practice Wink

When you're starting try practicing when you really want to, rather than a set time everyday. This helps reinforce the pleasure of shuffling.

So for instance, have a few days break then practice. So it doesn't become a chore...like oh god no, I've gotta practice again. Like you have to do your homework or clean up your room or something Smile

So practicing when you 'want to' means you're looking forward to it, you end up achieving more and you have more pleasure from Shuffling. It also give's your muscles a bit of rest, which is important when starting.

It doesn't take too long before you're over the worst of it and your posting vids on Youtube.

I know what you mean about breaking too. It's very strict with set moves and not much freedom. Mainly because of it's battle origins.

While break started in the 1970's as just for fun, doing fancy moves to drum breaks in tracks, which is where the term Break came from - the original dancers were called Break Boys or BBoys, it quickly became an aggressive contest between rival gangs.

These gangs weren't just a bunch of friends like shuffle crews, the gangs were violent and generally fought over drug territories. So break dance became an aggressive power struggle, not something for pleasure. You danced to claim supremacy over your opponent.

In Melbourne drug territory battles take the form of physical beatings and stabbings with clubs, knives and machettes and there are frequent murders with shootings.

Shufflers don't get involved in any of that, we dance for pleasure and fun. We don't battle like BBoys, and we don't do graffitti to mark out our territory or any that stuff. That belongs to the Cold War era and it's power monger attitudes - I'm better than you and I'll kill you if you don't do what I say type of thing, or the I don't give a f**k about anybody attitude.

Shuffle was born when the cold war ended, when the Berlin wall came down. The Shuffle is a freedom dance, we actually like people, we enjoy other shufflers company and we'd all rather be doing something creative, than something aggressive putting down other people.

It's quite a different culture, it's quite a happy culture. We're not locked in a ghetto somewhere that we want to escape. If we want to escape, we shuffle, no gangs no violence, we just move our feet, where ever we are, and we're in another world, having heaps of fun, not bothering anybody.

Shufflers have nothing to prove like BBoys do, so we end up Shuffling for the simple pure passion of it. Beginner or pro, it doesn't matter you can each have the same passion, regardless of skill.

And there's no-one laying down the law about what is and isn't a Shuffle move. Shuffling is about creative freedom. That's why we started it. We were sick and tired of people telling us what we could do, how we had to do it, and what would happen to us if we didn't obey.

So we said, who the hell are these cultural dictators anyway ? Most of them don't even know where Melbourne is, a remote coastal town on the edge of the planet, next stop South Pole - I'm sure people living in Iceland know the feeling Wink

So we just ignored all these cold war cultural rules, and went on our merry way doing what ever we felt like - and we felt like Shuffling Wink

That's not to say we don't have arguments Wink But arguments/battles aren't the basis for the Shuffle.

The Shuffle competitions for instance are just fun things, like friendly team sports, you don't have to enter comps to Shuffle, just like you don't have to go to a nightclub or rave to Shuffle, but you can if you want to. Shuffle gives you that freedom, and the individual shuffler is the one who decides, not some gang somehwere.


So yeh, please let us know how you go, post a vid some time too, that will give us a much better idea of how you're going and we can offer tips
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Thu 24 Jul 2008, 23:02

i know what you mean by not making it become a chore, i used to do some
tae kwon do and karate and i loved showing up on practices and i was
always kicking into the air every know and then just for the fun of it.
then i moved and there was no matialarts only boxing so i started
boxing and loved it as much and started punching at home got a boxing
bag and stuff and then one day i could use sports as a part of my school
scedule and of cours chose boxing Very Happy but then i started to hate showing
up to practices and stuff and stoped showing up on on practices,then this summmer i figured out why becous i had to, i had no choice,
school in iceland is law i have to go to school and i was then forced
to go to practices and thats what i hated having no choice and no
freedom ti takes all fun and passon from it.

and yea we icelanders know the feeling,some people think we are like
eskimoes hundreds of years ago, wtf we dont live in snow houses im not
even sure the eskimoes did hundreds of years ago maby thay made them
only when thay whent icefishing and some shit,i have even met some people that think that
australians are all somekind of steeve irvins(you know who that is
right) and throw bumerangs at kangoroos and hunt aligators and shit its
just wierd how so many people can me missled about other cutures and
living at the edge of the planet does not help at all, haha i remember when
i saw this group o tourists acually searching for santa clouse :'D

and i hear what you are taking about that attitude the gangesters have,
i think its pathetic there is no need to fight over territories its
useless - a living organism at war with it self is doomed- heard that
somewere, but fights now and then thats difrent.

ohh and yea i think i wont be posting any videos soon maby in a coubble
of months cuz i dont have a camera and we dont have any money, maby ill borrow one from a friend
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Fri 25 Jul 2008, 20:17

tourists searching for santa haha that's great

interesting you mention Steve Irwin, I met him when he was 10 years old, he was inside an animal cage playing with poisoness snakes. An old friend of mine had an animal park. Laughing

But yeh we get the same stereo types in Melbourne. Most people in Australia live in the 5 main cities or in the rural surrounds. The only place people in Melbourne see a kangaroo, is in the zoo.

Which is what my dutch friend Fritz Maaten had.





He had lots of little travelling circuses come to him with animals they could no longer afford to keep when the circus closed down. Fritz and Andy both knew if they didn't take the dancing brown bear, Lion, black panther, etc they'd be taken to the vet and put down.

So I'd visit and sit in their lounge room at dusk and hear this enormous Lion roar, which set off the panthers, dancing brown bear and leopard, who'd also roar which would then set off the dingos, the peacocks the goat and every dog for 10 klm around Laughing. It was amazing.

They had a pet monkey too and a little Joey (baby kangaroo) which they kept inside. The monkey would jump around the lounge room from head to head while you were trying to have a coffee or something - it was fun for 10 minutes Wink

The joey would come up to your knee and bite it to get attention if you ignored it. It would especially wait until you were about to have a sip of hot coffee, then BITE real hard. Naturally you'd jump off the seat with hot coffee spilling all over you. The little kangaroo thought it was great fun.

They had a fresh water crocodile called Henry in a huge fish tank in the lounge room too. About twice the size of the one Steve Irwins holding in the pic. Fritz would pull back Henry's gums to show his teeth, saying, Now don't do this at home kids...and suddenly Henry bit his finger and wouldn't let go. Henry had never done it before, but just got tired of it. It was while they were filming for kids TV program hosted by Melb rock singer Shirl from Skyhooks. Fritz called out to the studio crew to help, but no one was game to go near him. Laughing

So Steve and his family where friends of Fritz and Andy and would visit them. The Irwins are from Melbourne, they moved north to Queensland later to make the Irwin Australia Zoo thing up there.

So Fritz went on these kids TV shows with snakes and various animals. I used to play in a rock band with fritz, and here he is with the Early Bird Show hosted by Darryn Cotton - another old rock singer, and the brilliant RAGS the big red Kangaroo, who used to do boxing in a travelling circus. Yep a real boxing kangaroo.

Rags couldn't figure out what this Marty The Monster thing was on the kids show, so he just punched him out and knocked him to the floor - there was a guy in the costume of course Laughing

And then on another show with yet another old rock singer host from Melbourne, Johhny Young, Rags just up and kicked poor Johnny in the nuts Laughing he was okay after a few weeks.

I got the order wrong with the pics, but you'll work it out, Jason Donovan there in his younger years would drop by the shows and promote Neighbours, which is made in Melbourne as well. Jason's girlfriend on Neighbours was Kylie Minogue, also from melb.

To bring this delightful ramble back on topic Wink those who created the Melbourne Shuffle grew up on these TV shows in Melbourne, kinda gives you an idea of what we're like here Laughing











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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Fri 25 Jul 2008, 22:45

yea wow i used to love watching steve on the animal planet and stuff he was an amazing guy, presonally id rather die the way he did then as an old man so if he was me i would say life well spent but thats just me Smile
but wow you knew him and poeple that worked with him that must have been awesome Very Happy

but hay need a little help here, i thing i found out how to make my runnign man more smooth,by stop holdign my lig in the air for a sec keeping it in motion that should phisicly work right ? and keep my back straight i dont know if that changes anything so i thought i would ask you ??
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Sat 26 Jul 2008, 15:50

yeh steve was pretty remarkable, you could see he had a special talent with animals even when he was a kid. Like when he'd get into the cages with the animals, they immediately acted differently to him, and people like Fritz and Andy who worked and lived with these same animals spotted it straight away.

But as years went on, he started to think he was Tarzan King of the jungle, and to keep his TV ratings up he had to do more and more extreme things. So the animals started to become like circus animals again doing tricks for Steves TV ratings. He got really upset when people said that about him, he genuinely had a good heart, but he was also a bit thick Wink

His TV personality started to get on Melbourne's nerves too after a while. he was very 2 dimensional, like a cartoon character from the 1920's in Australia, which we call 'Okkar' - basically a loud yob Wink It's worst when it's an Alpha Male, which Steve became.

So for quite a few years we were actually cheering for the animals to win Laughing It's pretty dark humour, which is common in Melbourne.

So after years of seeing 5 guys jumping on the back of a croc, it no longer showed to us how strong the croc was and how brave the guys were. We ended up thinking the reverse and felt sorry for the croc with 5 yobs jumping on it's back and tieing it up, So we'd sit around the TV and cheer for the croc or the snake or whatever.

We have this two faced thing going on in Melbourne, you'd support the local boy on one hand and cheer for him to loose in private.

>>> LANGUAGE POINT we never say, we ROOT for someone, in Melbourne. Apart from being part of a tree or plant, ROOT in Melbourne is slang for SEX Wink, so we say cheer or support or something. So if someone from Melbourne says that they or someone else are ROOTED, it means they are FUCKED Wink

Of course when it really happened, and Steve was stabbed by the stingray and died, it was terrible, especially for his family and kids. Like we wanted Steve to get a serious bite to bring him down to earth and have respect for the animals like he used to have, but not actually die.

Then another one from Melbourne Germaine Greer (the feminist who wrote a book about castration in the 1970's) made a public comment saying it was 'Nature's Revenge' for tormenting these animals for years.

Germaines been living in the UK for decades, and we were glad to get rid of her Wink (on ya Germs, we still love ya - just stay were you are, the Brits are welcome to you ) Curiously Germs went to her Melbourne Uni graduation party with a guy who also became a croc hunter - for real. So maybe she was jilted by Steve years back Wink

So we all bagged Germs for being a heartless dickhead. You can think those things in private but you don't say it in the news just to get attention, 2 days after the guy dies, you have some compassion for the grieving family. So we replied we hope Germaine gets stabbed through the heart one day - if she ever gets one Wink.

We have this delicate balance between love and hate in Melbourne. We don't have a monachy, and we love to tear down our leaders when we think they're getting too arrogent, or we're just bored with them and they won't take the hint and go away.

Which is where many outside of Melbourne will find us confusing when it comes to Shuffling.

We would never have a 'Becks and Posh' thing happening in Melbourne, we would have burnt them at the stake a long time ago - and we'd still be happy to supply the petrol and matches to the brits to do it Wink

Melbourne's a gold rush town from the 1850's and became the richest city in the British Empire outside of London in the 1800's. But we wanted independance from British rule and had an armed rebellion on the gold fields with british troupers. Gold miners could be 'taxed' a couple of times a day ! by the brits so we refused.



We made our own flag and pledged allegiance to each other and the Southern Cross - a star constellation only seen in the southern hemisphere.

This is what the flag design looked like


This is the real thing, people took souvenirs



We'd just separated from Sydney which was a prison colony a year or so before the rebellion too, we wanted independance and a new start, no class structure, all equal under the stars. This was the time when there were rebellions against the British in India, China Ireland etc too. Most of the people who came to Melbourne came to escape oppression in their homeland, where ever that was.

So 50 years later the new country of Australia was born and Melbourne was it's capital city.

This is the Australian flag today still with the Southern Cross, but displayed as it really looks in the sky with the formal star names.

We also have the Union Jack of the UK in the corner, some of the old Sydney brits couldn't bear to part with it, it's still the source of a lot of debate in Australia mostly from Melbourne who want a formal republic, completely seperate from Britain. The union jack is to say we are still part of the British Commonwealth sort of a dumbed down Empire - we're basically waiting for the current Queen of England to die (she's not a bad old girl) and then we'll dump it.



It's worth noting that we became the independant colony, just before the gold rush, almost like we were keeping it secret from the British HQ in Sydney.

Melbourne was as far from the 'civilised' world (Europe) as you could get, next stop south Pole etc - except no-one (human) had ever been to the south pole at that time. So Queen Victoria said yeh okay, who cares about this little uncivilised swamp town on the edge of the earth, and signed us off.

Then a few months later we discovered GOLD hehe, how about that Wink The gold rush went for about 60 years and mined more gold than the San Fransisco and Alaska gold rushes combined.

Oh...THEN they were interested in Melbourne, hehe, the great British Empire outsmarted by a country town on the edge of the planet.

So everything closed down for a week long party in town (with lots of moonshine and home brew) and barrels of burning tar were rolled down the hill past the Melbourne Town Hall in the celebration - just for fun Wink

Flinders street Melbourne 1875




SO... how does all this relate to the SHUFFLE ?

The oldskool had the same attitude.

> Nobody is better or worse than anyone else, like some are the ruling class or Kings/Queens rulers etc. or one race or nationality is better/worse. We're all human beings living on the same planet.

> Everybody gets to say what is a Shuffle move.

> If someone or a group try to be the gods, or rulers - we will all gang up on them and tear them down and drag their corpses through the street ( not literally of course ).

> You are allowed to succeed and strike it rich, just like the gold miners did. Hard work is rewarded - so if you practice and become better at Shuffling, then you will be praised.

> If you start bragging about your success and getting pompous about it - then we will consider it our duty to tear you down and drag your corpse throught the streets etc Wink

> It's not so much being humble if you're a great shuffler, we can't stand fake humility or an 'I'm more humble than you' attitude anymore than some pompous twat. It's more a case of be proud of your achievement, but don't use that to belittle others.

> If you can only succeed by 'beating someone else' then it's not an honorable win. If you succeed by beating your own personal best, then that's okay.

> It's a fine line, and usually misunderstood with the simplistic 'Dance to Express not Impress' slogan which the oldskool never had.

It's quite okay to IMPRESS, we dress to Impress in melbourne, we dance to Impress in Melbourne, it is part of our creative Expression. But when you want to be NUMBER ONE and everyone else is under you....corpse dragged thru the streets thing again.

Which is why you will NEVER find any oldskooler claiming to be THE ONE who invented the Shuffle - they know the outcome if they do.

> That's just the way the ball bounces in Melbourne, and Australia's home grown football game, Australian Rules Football was created by bored cricketers in Melbourne during the gold rush era in 1858, and we use an oval ball which bounces all directions unpredictably.

And just to make it harder you're expected to run and bounce this thing on thick grass, and also kick goals on the run from 50 mtrs away...it's a great way to bring anyone who is a bit full of themselves back down to earth. And if that doesn't work, you have to jump for it, a 'mark' if you catch it, and hang on to it while everyone falls in a heap on top of you, or you on them... Shocked like in the pic below.

Australian Rules Football - 'Footy'

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So, good to see you're working out how to get more fluid with your running man. Part of this is to help you work it out yourself, get you thinking about how you move, and how you can make it happen.

This way you are being creative. You might end up doing it the same way everyone else does, but you've gone thru the process and that makes you wiser - which is part of the artist training the oldskool used in Shuffling.

This means when you are trying more difficult moves, you know how to go thru the process to get to where you want to be - which could be creating some shuffle moves no-ones ever seen before .

Well done Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Where do I start ?   Thu 31 Jul 2008, 04:06

thanks Razz makes me feel better been trying to get a bit of practising but been so busy with work and everyone is preparing for "ljósanótt"(night of the light) its a really important night for all the young people in iceland/reykjanesbae/keflavik tongue and i have been trying to practice in my lunch break but havent been able to watch any videos cuz my mom took away my internet for not coming home for 2 days x'D so i have been trying to practice pretty much alone cuz no one here in keflavik knows how to shuffle that i know of and that is pretty boring not even having music to listen to so just you saying that is gonna give me the boost i need to get it smoother get better at mixing it to gather and hopefully make some new moves Razz, so thanks:), im going to practice now cuz i only have a week untill "ljósanótt" begins.



ps. that about australia is a good thing to know, i only knew that australia was a place were prisoners were moved from england and stuff and that its hot there and has a big desert then there is soem things i have picked up from animal shows, movies and documentaries etc.
we icelanders kinda experienced something like that,
see the king of denmark claimed ownership of iceland he just said it was a part of denmark and we did not like that so some icelanders got the habbit of killing the messengers(well kinda more important, those who went to claim the taxes and stuff like that) so we kinda were independant that way but the king of denmark still kept claiming iceland as a part of denmark adn it wasent untill 1944 when a man named jón sigurðsson helped iceland be officially indipentant but ofcourse we had stopped killing the danish people before then and been fighting the none violent way, so we have a presedent these days but no one ever hears about him ri anything he is like a ghost to us, or maby me i dont know i mean i never hear anything about him and i think mostly everyone dosent and we dont have any weird laws like america i mean who is arrested for walking naked what bull shit :/ if anyone calles the cops that is if someone does thay are going to ither ask you to get dressed or if you dont have any clothes thay will happily escort you home :'D but i dont even know why im telling you this confused but well you get the point

bye and thanks bounce
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