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Post by Garry on Mon 28 Apr 2008, 20:13

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Hi, we're just doing some updating on this thread fixing links etc. So some pics and vids may not display. We'll be done soon, thanks MSO

So you've just found out about the Melbourne Shuffle, and you want to know more. You've come to the right place Smile

The Melbourne Shuffle is an underground dance culture, which began in Melbourne (Australia) in the early 1990's and has now spread around the world.

It's a friendly inclusive culture. All nations, races, languages, abilities, old and young, male and female, are welcome.

There's a lot you can learn, in Shuffle moves, music, fashion, art works, video, meet-ups, crews, teams all associated with the Shuffle.

So please, don't be shy, we welcome people new to the Shuffle, and we're happy to help with whatever we can. So please ask...


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Post by Garry on Mon 27 Oct 2008, 12:30

Unfortunetly the violence in Melbourne is not restricted to drunken yobs at dodgy strip clubs.

So called PLUR rave clubs (Peace Love Unity Respect) such as 3D are anything but peace loving or respectful. A court case in Melbourne has just heard about the rape of a young woman who went to 3D, by guys she met at the Club. The young woman was raped in the back lane while unconscious by the guy as his 'mates' looked on and cheered. The rapist has been charged, I reckon the 'mates' should of been too. Bloody disgusting.

3D has now closed and most of the other commercial PLUR clubs have closed due to falling support. Unfortunetly that is what the rave club scene decended into in Melbourne the past few years. Not a safe place, not a happy place. These commercial PLUR rave clubs are generally disowned by the shuffle community in Melbourne, we want no part of a scene where rape is considered entertainment.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24557408-661,00.html

PLUR PLUR the so called Peace Love Unity Respect tag for the shuffle really didn't come into use until the late 1990's, well past the end of the oldskool era, and into the Commercial era. It doesn't really relate to the shuffle at all, rather it's about commercial rave culture.

The main difference between the RAVE scene and the SHUFFLE scene, is

RAVE is 'All about the music' and is basically a DJ culture, where DJ's are the focal point.

SHUFFLE is 'All about the dance'. It's a dance culture, the Shufflers are the focal point.

Oldskool : 1990-96
Commercial : 1997-2003
Nuskool 2006 - today

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Post by Garry on Mon 27 Oct 2008, 13:27

The Eureka flag of rebellion which I mention on page 2 http://mso1.cultureforum.net/tutorials-f1/where-do-i-start-t54-20.htm has hit the news again, after the Soccer Federation of Australia, stupidly tried to ban it at soccer matches. But they didn't account for a bunch of patriotic Melbourne folk giving them a severe ear bashing online and behinds the scenes today forcing them to back down.


We're very protective of our Freedom of Expression in Melbourne,
which is why we get cranky when idiots try to restrict the shuffle, like banning crews, meet-ups and where you can shuffle etc.

As decendants of the original Eureka rebels said about flying the Eureka flag

"It's an act of free expression and I would encourage those supporters to fly it as an act of defiance, with the best wishes of the Eureka descendants."


http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24556959-661,00.html



The Eureka flag has been used by many political groups since the rebellion, but the flag was now listed as an object of state significance on the Victorian Heritage Register and was named an icon by the National Trust in 2006.

Paul Murphy, founder of Eureka's Children, a group consisting of descendents of Eureka, said the flag was a symbol of unity.

"Whenever you see the flag, whether it's farmers in Mildura, soccer fans or on building sites, it simply means, 'I'm pissed off with whoever's in charge'," Mr Murphy said.

"It's an act of free expression and I would encourage those supporters to fly it as an act of defiance, with the best wishes of the Eureka descendants."

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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Tue 28 Oct 2008, 00:11

omg that is sick they all diserve at least 8 years in jail :/ but its good there are some clubs that those kind of people dont go to Smile but garry did you take part in this PLUR thing ?? i mean did you like take part in making it or something and does PLUR have more of the shufflers than the other clubs ???


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ive been seeing many type of shuffle spins but the one i like the most is the one that it looks like the shuffler is shuffling while spinning i think its awesome but i cant find out how you do it on youtube so maybie u know something about it and can help me a little with how i can learn it ? Rolling Eyes
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Post by PhiLL on Tue 28 Oct 2008, 09:16

The attitude of you shows that at least there are still people who are at parties for fun, make new friends and not to create confusion and fight for stupid reasons Smile

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Post by Garry on Tue 28 Oct 2008, 17:56

Yeah, there's still people around who just wanna have fun, avoid all the fights and commercial club nasties.

I avoided the whole PLUR thing. It was an attempt by commercial clubs and parties to sound like they were oldskool, but the oldskool wasn't interested.

The commercial clubs and parties started late 1990's and tried to sum up the oldskool with a bumper sticker slogan PLUR. The sentiment was mostly right, we weren't really peace love and unity, we'd fight like cats and dogs over creative issues, we were all strong willed and driven to excel in whatever we did. But we respected each other, like I've mentioned before, this is part of the culture of Melbourne to respect diversity. and we had a group commitment to see the underground survive and flourish. So from the outside it looked all love peace unity etc. But the reality was more complex.

The oldskool didn't need to describe itself, we just were. If you wanted to know what the oldskool was about you got involved. But by 1996 after 5-6 years of parties every weekend, the oldskool almost all at once decided to do something else.

This Flinders Lane area (pic below) became THE underground centre of activity. No longer did we just meet up on weekends, we all started to move in together. There were about 300 artists living in this area alone.



We were creative and wanted to move on, not just do the same old same old for another 5 years.

So we shifted out of the scene as it became more commercial, Rave, cliched and rather boring, although quite spectacular with huge budgets to do grand laser shows, decor etc.

We'd still work on parties, but that was work. The underground culture went underground again mostly based in the CBD in a community of buildings. We'd do small studio parties, it was all intimate, friendly small scale etc.

The CBD scene became the new underground, and the commercial parties tried to imitate the underground community using the PLUR slogan on their flyers, like it was code for the underground, but it really wasn't. But if you were new to the scene you wouldn't know that.

From about 1998 the commercial events actually dragged shufflers off the dance floors so they could fit more people into the dance floor. They were only interested in ticket sales, not shuffling. Security would literally grab you on the dance floor and 'escort' you to the door.

These were the sorts of clubs that would put PLUR on the flyer, they were rave based clubs, rave as in 'It's All About The Music' the superstar Dj wanted all the attention, so the shufflers on the dance floor in front of the DJ, were thrown off, and a crowd of people who would cheer the DJ's stood there.

Shufflers basically stopped going out, or shuffled in the dark corners where there was room.

Then a whole new generation of commercial clubber from about 2001-02 came into the scene thinking that shuffling was the lone shuffler almost unseen in the dark corners. They are the ones who are anti crews, anti meet-ups, anti shuffle competitions, anti anything that draws attention to shuffling, because they have never experienced the real shuffle scene, just the dieing days of it, all summed up in a bumper sticker slogan that they think is code for underground, but isn't.

Like today in Melbourne, the dance clubs are basically dead, all the recent big ones like 3D, Pharmacy, PHD, Hard Kandy etc are all from the commercial PLUR era, most of them didn't even start until 2001-02 and only lasted a few years peaking around 2003-04.

So the shuffle scene today is completely different, it's back to a bunch of friends meeting up where every they want to.

More like this recent Shifter vid. They might perform at big commercial competition or event, but as you see in the last half of the vid, for fun they meet up with a bunch of trusted friends, turn up the car sound system and shuffle in a car park.

That way you control who joins you, you sus out dodgy people etc, and just get together and have fun. That's more like the oldskool shuffle scene, casual, friendly, but unless you know someone in the underground, you'd probably never hear about it. Of course, now we just post it on youtube Laughing, so it's hardly secret, but at the same time, the vids are posted after the meet-up. It could change location everyweek end, so drunken yobs don't turn up to spoil things.

That's how we did it in the oldskool era, we changed location every meet-up, that way the yobs couldn't find us. But a commercial club, is at the same venue every week for years, they advertise everywhere and that's why it attracts the violence and rapists, the club is a soft target for nutters.




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Post by Garry on Tue 28 Oct 2008, 19:59

tristan mitch aka tiger wrote:
ive been seeing many type of shuffle spins but the one i like the most is the one that it looks like the shuffler is shuffling while spinning i think its awesome but i cant find out how you do it on youtube so maybie u know something about it and can help me a little with how i can learn it ? Rolling Eyes

Sounds like 'kicking off' you use your other foot to help spin you around. You just do the kick (usually just the toe) in time with the music so it looks like you're shuffling, maybe one or two kicks in a rotation.

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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Wed 29 Oct 2008, 02:23

you sure they are only kicking :O hehe how the f**k :'D i mean do they like kick backwards or to the side how do they kick :'D ??
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Post by Garry on Wed 29 Oct 2008, 11:58

hehe, it's just called kicking off like a little backwards kick, but it's more like pushing off.

Like if you're about to jump, you use your foot as a spring to lift you off the ground. So it's really like you use your toe and ball of your foot to give a little nudge as you spin.

You exaggerate it a bit to look more like a shuffle step.

It's a shuffle version of Irish dance spining. You can see the refined version of it in the opening 20-50 seconds with Michael Flatley doing his spin. (vid below)

He gives a nudge with his pivot foot, the one he's standing on, by twisting his ankle in the direction he wants to spin in co-ordination with the rest of his body, usually the arms and upper torso giving a slight nudge in the direction you want to go.

And then uses his other foot to give another very subtle nudge to keep him turning. But he does it in time with the music and adds a few taps, so it looks like he's dancing, not just spinning.

It's what we call in live theatre, 'smoke and mirrors' as magicians use in their acts. It gives an illusion that you're dancing in a spin, which you are, but you're really pushing yourself around, while keeping a bit of balance and maintaining an even speed as you spin. So you can control when you stop your rotation, usually facing the audience ready for your next steps.

hehe I forgot about all that, thanks for reminding me. Part of shuffling is to create an illusion, like runing man is runing on the spot, and moonwalking or gliding etc. It's faked, but the audience still likes it if it's done with skill. For instance, Michael increases the speed of his spin as he goes. Where normally a shuffler would slow down towards the end of the spin. And he makes it look so easy and effortless, which is part of the skill.

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Post by KHS(goofy) on Fri 31 Oct 2008, 11:00

Hey is it bad to shuffle using your back foot instead of your front when doing the T-step? cuz i taught myself to do it that way... then again my style combines your own dance moves and shuffling together also i know this part belongs in the other topic but is it okay for two crews to be sister crews? im KHS and my friend is WCS
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Post by TwilightRaver on Fri 31 Oct 2008, 13:43

ive got the basics down i think, i can do the T step alright left to right and switch back and forth i just need to work on speed.
the running man is a different story it takes alot more energy out of me then the T and the foot that goes back doesnt quite reach as far back as i need it to on the second hop and isnt stopping flat any tips? and how do i do the running man in different directions? and meh shoes are too grippy D= thoughts?
when i go fast on my shuffle my wieght shifts and i cant stop myself. i think ive done quit nicely so far its my third day if your wondering Razz no one i know around me knows what the melbourne shuffle is except my friend who once saw it on youtube haha im pretty streightforward with my questions can you tell?


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Post by Garry on Fri 31 Oct 2008, 14:02

KHS(goofy) wrote:Hey is it bad to shuffle using your back foot instead of your front when doing the T-step? cuz i taught myself to do it that way... then again my style combines your own dance moves and shuffling together also i know this part belongs in the other topic but is it okay for two crews to be sister crews? im KHS and my friend is WCS
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Hey welcome to the boards KHS(goofy). No worry at all with topics, this is a general where to start thread.

Definetly ok for sister crews, we'd encourage it. Some big crews have smaller crews of 4-5 members in them too, and some crews have members in different countries. It all helps people to do what they really like, specialise in something etc but still be part of the same crew.

We don't really have a crew battle culture in shuffling. The competitions are for fun, crews are for fun, and crews combining or helping each other out is quite common. We did it all the time in the oldskool era, depending on the size of what you're doing.

For instance in Brasil at the moment they're trying to make a mega crew combining a dozen or so existing crews, it'll be like a Shuffle Army of 1000 members Laughing

And no worries with your front foot or back foot. shufflers will always mix it up at some stage, and it helps you be more flexible with your shuffling.

People have a left or right foot preference too, like left and right handed, it happens with your feet and which way you lead. So no problems there.

Keep in touch and let us know how you go.

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Post by Vicda on Fri 31 Oct 2008, 15:32

TwilightRaver wrote:ive got the basics down i think, i can do the T step alright left to right and switch back and forth i just need to work on speed.
the running man is a different story it takes alot more energy out of me then the T and the foot that goes back doesnt quite reach as far back as i need it to on the second hop and isnt stopping flat any tips? and how do i do the running man in different directions? and meh shoes are too grippy D= thoughts?
when i go fast on my shuffle my wieght shifts and i cant stop myself. i think ive done quit nicely so far its my third day if your wondering Razz no one i know around me knows what the melbourne shuffle is except my friend who once saw it on youtube haha im pretty streightforward with my questions can you tell?

You're doing well. grippy shoes are annoying but there are ways around that. 1 wear socks and shuffle indoors. 2 hop more instead of sliding your feet. 3 put baby powder upon the ground. 4 put more force into sliding your foot. aka move it quick and fast. It'll wear down your shoes fast tho. 5 put tape on the bottom of your shoes.
the weight shifting. You need to practice more. I had the same problem. lean into the direction your about to switch to. if your going fast that might solve your problem. With practice this problem will go away.
With going in diffrent directions, first get comfortable being able to do the running man continuaslly. once your comfortable you should fidgure out how to move in any direction with the running man.
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Post by TwilightRaver on Fri 31 Oct 2008, 17:48

i have a couple more questions Razz is 2+ hours a day of practice too intensive? cuz thats what ive been doing and when will my soreness in my ankles subside? in a week about? and how much baby powder should i use ive only read "use it lightly" but everyones judgment of lightly is different enough to make a dime in the palm of my hand you could say?
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Post by Garry on Fri 31 Oct 2008, 21:45

Hi TwilightRaver welcome to the boards. I see Vicda's helped out with some of the questions, that's great.

Ankle soreness, I'm still walking around on crutches 4 weeks after pulling a hamstring, and my ankles still ache, so ease up on the practice, especially when just starting. Try 30 minute practices a day, for a couple of weeks, then increase. But give your ankles a rest for a few days first. If you push too hard you'll tear muscles, and trust me, it's not pleasant
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With the baby powder, depends on the floor. If it's like a polished or vinyl floor, about a 2-3 heaped teaspoon sizes will be plenty enough spread on the floor. And a few puffs every 10-15 minutes or so as it wears down. Most of it will be kicked to the sides of where you're shuffling, so drag a bit of it back with your foot every now and then as well.

Avoid liquids near it !!!! many a dance floor has been turned to sticky goo when someone spills coke, beer or water onto the powder, then you can slip on it too, it leaves a greasy patch. hehe, it's a fine art

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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Sun 02 Nov 2008, 09:02

hay ive been trying to do this kicking off but i cant figure out how they do it :S im litteraly swetting over my keyboard ive been trying to get it to work but all the kicks do is throw me off balance and actually decrese my spin instead of increasing it maybie a few pointers ?? pale
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Post by Vicda on Sun 02 Nov 2008, 11:04

Tristan, how are you kicking? I know of 2 basic ways people kick while they spin.

Are you kicking out into the air? like daniel in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPaMdxC6CQI at 0:43. This will slow you down drasticially. (notice how he could only kicked 3 times before he stoped) The leg being kicked away from your center of gravity is slowing your spin down. It should then speed up when you bring your leg back in. (giving a cool effect of varing speeds) the farther away your leg is from your center of gravity the slower you spin and the closer in the faster you spin (same thing for your arms)

if your kicking the ground. like this dude in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ApWPxl0Bq8&feature=related. at 3:21-3:28. Notice with this spin his kicking off keep him going for 7 seconds. Also his arms are close to the body for the fast spin. With this you stomp with your free foot in front of you. (which ever foot you're not spinning on) When it hits the ground you should have it push off in the oppisate direction of your spin. (if your going clockwise kick off counter clockwize) with the spin it will still look to others like all your free foot is doing is stomping.
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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Sun 02 Nov 2008, 11:56

in the 1st video i personally would not call a spin cuz all he kinda does is turning around so i call it a turn around :'D but the 2nd video is exactly what i have been trying :'D i just love how it looks Very Happy this info helpes alot Very Happy but one question, do you know how they use their non kicking foot i mean in the riverdance finale he spins on the ball but there is no way i could do that fast xD and in the some of the videos ive seen including your 2nd video it looks like they shift between their ball and heel but are they actually doing that, or are they just on their ball or just on their heel ?? :'D

gonna try do this maby ill figure it out :'D
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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Sun 02 Nov 2008, 12:17

LOL 2nd spin and its fast and feels good hahah it works the fact that you are kicking the oposite way makes it work so easily all i haveto do is start the spin and kick wow thanks alot xD now all i gotta do is practise this and make it look good thx :þ
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Post by Garry on Sun 02 Nov 2008, 14:11

Good to see you guys got it sorted, thanks Vicda.

Basically the 'kick' is more like a backwards kick, like a horse would do with it's hind leg. rather than the martial arts kick out sideways, which will definitely throw your balance all over the place.

Yep the riverdance spin uses both heel and the the ball of the foot. In Irish dance they call that 'Heel and Toe', because you alternate between the heel and toe to get the tapping sounds.

So with a spin, say you start on your heel, then twist your foot with toes off the ground to either the left or right depending on which way you want to spin.

Then you put your weight on the toes and with your heel in the air, you twist your foot again, - you would probably alternate with your kicking foot at this point to keep balance and help with the turn.

You only need to have your toe or heel in the air an inch/25mm or so, just so it's off the ground.

It doesn't matter whether you actually spin on your heel or toe, what ever suits, and you can mix it up as well in combination with your kicking foot.

Even experienced pro's like in riverdance drift off their spinning spot from time to time, so you'll find you use a combination of heel and toe in your spin to keep you in roughly the same spot, instead of spinning off into a wall or crowd of people.

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ADVANCED SHUFFLE FOOTWORK - EXERCISES #1


Here's a bunch of exerises to help you get turns, side steps, foot sequence (which foot first), spins, kicks etc etc Very Happy

They're from the Advanced shuffle Footwork - exercises #1 post

http://melbourneshuffleoldskool.blogspot.com/2008/09/advanced-shuffle-footwork.html

These are all Celtic/Irish Dance moves and exercises. As shuffle footwork is based on Celtic dance, you'll find you can adapt the moves pretty easily to Shuffling. In fact you'll look like a pro, because often these are the sorts of things shufflers try to do, but don't really know just what step they are actually trying to do ?? Makes sense to me Laughing

Mens Reel


Irish Dance Movements


beginner slip jig


steps broken down



Celtic Dance is centuries old, so it's had lots of time to sort out the steps and arrange them into popular sequences, jigs and reels are just different dance music styles, like today we'd say hardstyle and trance.

over the next couple of years, shuffling will start to group the common moves done to these styles of music, and we'll end up having the same sorts of things. Like how do you shuffle to hardstyle or trance etc.

So here's some sequences to the most popular irish dance styles that they use in competitions for judging etc. from Learn To Dance http://www.learntodance.com/

The first thing to remember is that at all times during the dance your arms must be straight and held down by your sides (Like a soldier at Attention)

Basic Position (This position is usually called the 'T" in shuffling)

Start with your feet together with the heel of your right foot by the toes of your left foot. Feet at 90° to each other. This will mean your right knee has the left tucked behind. This position is the normal position after each step, changing to ending with the left foot in front instead, and vice versa.

The Basic Steps
There are three basic steps to Light shoe dances, around which all dancers are built.

Teachers weave these into their choreography in different ways and vary them slightly, but if you can't master them in their basic form you will never really make the grade as a step dancer.

The basic steps are the Jump Threes, the Hop Threes and the Sevens or Side Step.


Jump Threes (basic step)
Start in Basic Position

1) Now lift the front leg (in this case the right) keeping it dead straight with the toes curled forwards, so don't try to lift too high. (The worst thing you can do is point your toes up so that people see the soles of your shoes)

Jump off the foot still on the floor onto the raised foot, landing just in front of where it started.

As you jump bring the back foot up to kick your behind.
This is all done at the same time so takes practice!

2) As you land, step forward onto the original back foot, placing it just in front of the other foot.

3) Tuck the original front foot "behind" to end up in "basic position" but with the other foot now in front

Jump threes are always started from whichever foot is in front.

Do threes very slowly to start with and build up speed. One Three per bar of music. Once you have the hang of them try the lead round

Hops threes (basic step)
Start in Basic Position

1) Hop on the back foot as high as possible, landing back on the same foot.

At the same time the front foot is brought up across the knee of the other leg, as high as possible (try to touch your hip with your toes)

2) step very slightly forward on front foot

3) tuck back foot behind

Hop threes are always started by hopping off whichever foot is behind. One three per bar of music.


Sevens or side step (basic step)

1) is a hop or jump
2) The leading foot is moved to the side
(for example, the leading foot is the right one so move right, left foot move left)
3) back foot moves the same direction but crosses behind
4) front foot again
5) back foot behind again
6) front foot again
7) back foot behind again


All Irish Step dances follow the same basic pattern.
There are usually several components :

The Lead Round
The First Step

The Second Step (or Lead Back)

As the dances become more advanced these become a little harder to distinguish. However in the early stages they are very easily defined. Below is a basic beginners reel.

A Beginners Reel
this is a Beginners Reel, so choose Reel music. Try not to make it too fast, as this is hard work!

A Reel is a soft shoe dance so either get some proper Irish shoes, or use ballet shoes or the like (preferably black)

For a costume you need something with a shorter skirt (above the knee) with plenty of material so that you can lift your legs freely. A Sports skirt would be fine, although something a little more colourful would be better.

A simple white blouse with loose sleeves would also suffice. If you really want to look traditional then take a simple scarf and pin it onto the left shoulder. Then drape it across the back and pin it at the waist on the right side.

Count the bars in your mind, stood in basic position.(the bars are usually easy to count in Irish music)

At the first note of the sixth bar point your front foot and toes forward moving the leg ahead of the back foot so that only the toes touch the ground.

Keep your feet in the same turned out position as in basic position.

You do not start dancing until the first note of the ninth bar


LEAD ROUND
The lead round is simply Eight continuous Jump threes in a circle, alternating leading legs.

You must end up back where you started, facing the front again.

As each persons jumps are different don't try to follow someone elses circle.


FIRST STEP

A
Hop three twice
Hop Seven side step to right
Jump three twice
Jump seven side step back to left

B
repeat A but to opposite side

C
Repeat A again but this time move forward more with each hop three (on step 2 of the three)

D
repeat C but opposite (your sevens should be along the very front of the stage)


LEAD BACK

Repeat Lead round (eight jump threes), but instead of creating a circle just curve back to end your last three facing the front again in your original starting place in basic position


FINISH

To finish any Irish Step dance do the following :
Point your front foot as if starting, and bow from the waist, head and face up, arms still by your side.

Then turn towards the musician (or person running the music machine) and bow in the same way to them.

This is a recognised show of respect that all Irish dancers uphold, and it looks very smart.

Stand up straight, turn left and walk off stage with arms still by sides, and still straight legs and pointed toes.

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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Mon 03 Nov 2008, 02:45

ill be checking this out on and off good to know about this Very Happy
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Post by PhiLL on Mon 03 Nov 2008, 09:29

Garry wrote:welcome to the forum aQiLa

Yeh Socks is good. Indoors on smooth surface of course, I wouldn't try socks on a concrete footpath Smile

Most Shufflers wear trainers/runners/gym shoes, BUT these sorts of shoes are made to give you good grip on a smooth surface, the opposite of what you need for Shuffling, 'slip'.

They are used mainly because they are fashionable and everybody wears them, not because they are good for Shuffling.

You need a bit of grip for Shuffling, especially for 'kicking off' when you jump or move position, but not too much.

So once your trainers are worn down a bit, they are good. Then you have a little bit of time to enjoy Shuffling in them before you make holes in the soles, especially on the front/ball of your feet.

Some Shufflers put gaffer/duct tape on the sole of their shoes. This usually lasts a few hours, enough shuffling for most in one session.

The most popular thing to give you 'slip' instead of 'grip', which oldskoolers started and still swear by, is baby talcum powder. Like the plastic bottle in the pic below. It doesn't matter what brand Laughing just what ever you can get - cheap Wink



JUST A LITTLE BIT! tho, sprinkle it on the floor and don't over use. Otherwise you fall over all the time and you end up breaking bones and ankles.

Talcum power is only good for reasonably smooth floors to start with. It won't work on rough surfaces.


that sneakers would be a good choice Rolling Eyes ?


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Post by Garry on Mon 03 Nov 2008, 10:55

hehe' There are plenty of other smooth soled shoes around, but the oldskool shufflers were also very fashionable, lots of them fashion design students, so fashion came before being sensible Laughing 'suffer for your art' with shoes that grip.

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Post by PhiLL on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 08:50

But, is it good?
i wanna know, 'cause i´m gonna buy new sneakers and i was thinking to buy that =].

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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 10:47

wy wont u just try some difrent sneakers including these in the store and shuffle a little to see if they are good enough ?? i mean that would work right ? Rolling Eyes
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Post by PhiLL on Tue 04 Nov 2008, 10:48

hmm....

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id just kinda make sure i wouldnt damage the sneakers then you will probably have to pay for every pair Laughing
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