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Post by Garry on Mon 28 Apr 2008, 20:13

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Hi, we're just doing some updating on this thread fixing links etc. So some pics and vids may not display. We'll be done soon, thanks MSO

So you've just found out about the Melbourne Shuffle, and you want to know more. You've come to the right place Smile

The Melbourne Shuffle is an underground dance culture, which began in Melbourne (Australia) in the early 1990's and has now spread around the world.

It's a friendly inclusive culture. All nations, races, languages, abilities, old and young, male and female, are welcome.

There's a lot you can learn, in Shuffle moves, music, fashion, art works, video, meet-ups, crews, teams all associated with the Shuffle.

So please, don't be shy, we welcome people new to the Shuffle, and we're happy to help with whatever we can. So please ask...


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Post by de locke on Fri 14 Nov 2008, 19:44

You're an endless source of information Garry! I think we need to catch up one day and have a chat. There is so much about the oldskool that I want to ask you!

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Post by Garry on Sun 16 Nov 2008, 13:01

Thanks mate Wink I'm just starting to get around a bit now, using a walking stick instead of crutches, so I'll be in town for a catch up soon

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Post by Dg.J.M on Sun 16 Nov 2008, 18:18

Thanks Heaps Garry! i'll be sure to ask you lots more questions so be prepared! : )
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Post by BavarianShuffle on Mon 17 Nov 2008, 08:05

Hey everyone,
Im from Germany and shuffling is new to me... everyone here does tecktonik, which is kinda lame. I was watching some vids and how do some of the shuffelers do the spins while doing the shuffle?

I remind u im new and do not know much about this.
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Post by Garry on Mon 17 Nov 2008, 15:15

Hi BavarianShuffle welcome to the forum.

Spins are pretty easy once you've got your balance worked out.

SPIN FROM A STANDING POSITION

You can try doing a spin from standing position by twisting your upper body.

Put most of your weight on the ball/toe of your pivot foot, use your free foot to keep balance, lightly touching the ground.

Hold your arms close to your waiste and twist your waist OPPOSITE to the direction you want to spin.

You then spin your upper body at the waist in the direction you want to spin.

Spining from shuffling is a whole different story. Your spin depends on how you are shuffling. Often you'll need to have a start off shuffle position to get your spin going, such as having the correct pivot foot on the ground, having your arms and free foot in the right position, and direct the motion of your body weight into a spin.

It's much easier to spin from a shuffling move, because your body is already in motion, but controlling your spin so you don't fall over, or hit something takes practice.

Generally having your arms out wide slows you down, having your arms close to your body speeds you up.

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Post by SH. uffle on Sat 22 Nov 2008, 17:20

Please, what web site would you recommend for me if I wanted Phat Pants. It's kind of hard to find the perfect pair for me. I'm currently 14 yrs. old and 5' 1".(hahahahahaha). Don't try to tell me to make my own... trust me.
                                              
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Post by Garry on Sat 22 Nov 2008, 17:54

hehe ok we'll trust you SH. uffle Very Happy and welcome to the boards. Here's the phats thread with the latest details we can find on where to get phats >>>

http://mso1.cultureforum.net/phats-f6/phats-online-t20.htm

Be sure to let us know if you find somewhere else to get phats too, we're always looking for them.

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Post by Garry on Mon 01 Dec 2008, 12:11

SAD MELBOURNE

I mentioned a few pages back about how bad Melbourne city (CBD) is getting with violence etc. It's ruined the underground there, and has forced many shuffle venues to close down the past few years.

It got so bad that I decided to leave after nearly 20 years living in Flinders Lane - once the epicentre of the Melbourne underground.

I'm writing about the good ol early days of the underground in CYbA TRYb www.cybatryb.com

Some people bagged me for bagging my home town. I wish I didn't have to, but when Malaysian KFC starts offering 1st Prize to a Shuffle competition as a trip for 2 to Melbourne, I reckon it's fair to warn them and any others, the same way I'd hope shufflers in other towns would warn me.

The point of all this is not to bag Melbourne, but to change it.

I'm glad to say that it's not just me, others feel the same way. Such as Dean Drieberg, 25, who is from Melbourne and works in theatre and photography, who wrote this piece for THE AGE newspaper today.




see full article >>>

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/violence-drunks-ice-monsters--just-a-night-out-in-melbourne-20081130-6nq2.html?page=-1

Violence, drunks, ice monsters - just a night out in Melbourne
December 1, 2008 - 8:07PM
Going out in the city used to be fun. Now it's a risky proposition.

MELBOURNE is like few other cities. Where else can you walk down an alley, open an unmarked door or climb a dark staircase to find one of the coolest bars? At 25, I am a veteran of the city's nightlife, as I have been on the club scene since high school. When I started exploring Melbourne after dark, I felt safe. People were friendly and I could walk the streets alone at any time, cutting through alleyways to the next venue or a taxi rank. Today, I have a different view.

It's sad to see my city fall into decline. Violence and abuse is now common. On any given weekend between 2am and dawn, the city is littered with drunks - rejected from clubs for being revoltingly intoxicated, or rejected by one of the few available taxis for the same reason.

Now, I would never catch public transport after 11pm for fear of sharing the journey with boozed-up commuters heading for city bars. They buy cheap booze at Dan Murphy's to drink at home or to take as a "traveller" to get a kick start.

But drinking is not all. We have the rise of "ice" in club culture. In just two or three years, it's spread everywhere - and it turns users into monsters. They don't sleep for days, become manically aggressive, paranoid and disillusioned. They attack strangers and friends alike.

Out for a friend's birthday earlier in the year, we had a drink then decided to go dancing. We tried several venues but because of the size of the group, were turned away. Finally, three of us went to a club that used to be a Melbourne institution but had since reopened under new ownership. The room was seedy and the crowd was young, dancing to pumping electro-house music. Most were obviously under the influence of drugs: sweaty and chewing their faces apart as they danced or brooded in dark corners. Soon after we arrived, a fight broke out. Bouncers ejected the offenders. We decided to go. As we left, one of the guys who'd just been kicked out looked at me and yelled "You're a weak c--t!". The bouncer advised me to keep walking. But as we did, the guy and his friend ran ahead to an alleyway and stood in front of us.

One grabbed me and both started threatening me. I tried to escape and pleaded with passers-by to help but everyone walked past. My friends tried to calm the pair but it was as though they were possessed.

I tried to dodge but one hit me. I fell back on the pavement, head exploding with pain. My female friend jumped in but he knocked her down. I helped her up and ran back to ask the bouncers for help but they laughed and turned their backs. They had thrown these guys onto the street knowing they were looking for trouble and had no sympathy. I ran back to my friends and phoned triple zero. I was asked to wait until police arrived but there was no way we could stay near those maniacs. I explained the danger to which they replied they could "send an ambulance if something happens". They weren't joking. I jumped into a cab and got the driver to pick up my friends who were still fighting off the two guys. We got away.

Next day, police did not contact me and the club's owner offered no apology nor took any responsibility for the bouncers' actions. I had bruises and a bump on my head - and I was furious at being attacked for no reason and disappointed at being ignored by the bouncers. They should have seen that the hooligans were kept well away from anyone, as they were obviously under the influence of ice and looking to rip apart the next innocent bystander.

This incident changed my attitude about city venues. There have been many reports of drug or alcohol-fuelled attacks in Melbourne city, some near fatal. Melbourne's famous laneways might be a hub of culture but late at night they are perfect places for sinister behaviour. As a result, I never go anywhere near where this occurred and am always looking out for the guys who assaulted us that night.

As to what sparks the violence, excessive drinking is bad enough but ice and similar drugs make users paranoid and edgy and are more common than most people know. I also think that people lose their tempers when they get kicked out of clubs and can't get home. There are not enough cabs late at night.

There needs to be a stronger police presence. Bouncers need to step up to the mark and start acting like human beings. What we don't need is more security cameras. What help is grainy footage taken from so far away? As for drugs, how do you get rid of ice? There's always going to be some backyard lab producing it as long as there's demand. When the ice epidemic is over the next "it" drug will take over.

People will continue to get drunk and some will take party drugs but we all need to be more aware of our actions and watch out for those who overstep the mark. We need to be careful how we deal with others when we're out - and to be prepared to make a quick escape when things go wrong. No one should try to be a hero.

I miss the days when you would accidentally bump into a stranger and they'd say: "That's OK dude, have a great night!" Now you'd get stabbed for less.


Dean Drieberg, 25, is from Prahran and works in theatre and photography.

When the ice epidemic is over the next "it" drug will take over.



Also in todays THE AGE the police reporter listing the violence for the weekend

http://www.theage.com.au/national/violence-lands-six-in-hospital-20081130-6nsw.html

Violence lands six in hospital
Dewi Cooke
December 1, 2008
SIX men are in hospital with stab wounds and serious facial and head injuries after a weekend of violence in Melbourne.

Four friends, all aged 22, were taken to the Royal Melbourne Hospital after an altercation with three other men near the corner of William and Bourke streets about 3.30am yesterday.

One has had surgery after being stabbed in the chest while the other three are also nursing serious injuries to their abdomens and upper bodies.

A hospital spokeswoman said all four were in a stable condition.

Police do not believe the two groups knew each other and said it might have been a random attack.

Meanwhile, a 21-year-old East St Kilda man is in a stable condition with serious facial injuries after being attacked at a Fitzroy bar early yesterday.

Police said the man was at the Brunswick Street venue Bimbo Deluxe about 1.20am when a scuffle broke out between a group of males.

Police believe an unidentified man held the 21-year-old's arms behind his back while another allegedly smashed a bottle over his face.

The injured man was taken to the Royal Melbourne Hospital where he was in a stable condition.

One of his attackers was thought to have broken free and fled down Brunswick Street after being escorted out of the bar by security staff.

On Friday night, a 25-year-old Kings Park man was attacked by at least three men in the ground floor car park of Prahran Market and suffered serious head injuries.

It is understood the man and his girlfriend had a previous altercation with the group outside a nightclub on Chapel Street.

He was taken to The Alfred hospital where a spokesman said he remained in a stable condition.

Anyone with information can call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

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My advice ?

The Melbourne club scene is dangerous and not worth it.

Find somewhere else to shuffle and avoid the clubs until it's safe again. It will takes years, but better to avoid the violence, than end up in hospital with stab wounds after a night out , or dead.

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Post by irishloz79 on Mon 01 Dec 2008, 22:13

when i started shuffling in 98-99 lots of people did it on their toes and now when i go out i can only shuffle in heels! (embarrassing i know) but i get a heap of compliments about it, but it stems mostly from my irish dancing, coz you had to be on your toes all the time.
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Post by PhiLL on Tue 02 Dec 2008, 11:20

Hi Guys,

I am back( i was studying for the Science Fair of my school study )
And i ask your help more one time...
I tried searching google, but I didn´t find anything about it scratch .
so i´d like to know what are the equipments that a Dj uses in the night,
´cause i am gonna do a homework to my english course about Melbourne Shuffle, HardStyle and the life of a Dj.

Would someone help me Please Rolling Eyes ?

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Post by Garry on Tue 02 Dec 2008, 12:37

Hi Phill, I got more into live playing than Djing, with computers analog and digital synths, open reel (reel-to-reel) tape decks. So some of the Dj's here will be able to give you some tech inventories for ya, no doubt at all Wink They live for that stuff.

This is my video suite I had in Commerce House in the early 1990's. Those 3 Sony Hi-Band Umatic video tape decks stacked on the right cost $25,000 alone, and they were second hand, we bought them from a military base in Melbourne.

But now the whole lot fits on a laptop. I miss the big studio though, there's a great buzz about working surrounded by complex electromagnetic feilds when you're creating music or visuals



Here's the sort of video art I was making in 1991. This is from my first live TV broadcast, I did a 4 hour live set mixing both the music and vision. So I had turntables, tape decks, vision audio, computers etc all feeding into a live broadcast mixing desk, which had 48 channels - big for anyone, most were 16-32 channels. So the whole studio becomes your Tardis (Dr Who's time machine) and you have to run around the room all the time queing things up and fiddling with the mix. The computers were AMIGA 2000 that's 2mg fully pumped lol, we had to daisy chain them together with all the anims done in real time.

I was on straight after Capt Rom - the only name anyone knows him as. He did a 7 hour cyber meditation where he sat on cushions in the TV studio playing random sequences on his Roland JX3P's or JP3's I forget - he actually designed part of the sound chip for it. He also worked at Fairlight in Sydney in the 1980's where the first digital sampler keyboard was made, Herbie Hancock recorded Rockit with it, and demonstrated it on Sesame Street !!

I was on camera and control room all by myself, while Elvis - yes Elvis sleep in the corridor. This was from midnight Friday night and we broadcast 48 hours non stop. So while Elvis slept (he was the head technician) I was alone with Capt Rom chanting and reciting the recipe for LSD (Acid) live to air with a soundtrack of random sequencer for 7 hours then did this video live to air for 4 hours

This was december 1991. I called it, IT I recorded the music sound track to this clip in 1977.

you can read about it here

Broadcast Art >>>
http://melbourneshuffleoldskool.blogspot.com/2007/10/it-oldskool-daze.html

We'd then remix these tapes into multi screen events, with half a dozen tech artists doing what later camed to be called VJ-ing. All this mix was then broadcast live on our own TV transmitter across Melbourne.

That's me in the costume doing a wander, at Every Picture in the TVU warehouse mid 1992.



This vid also has some more of the Earliest Known Shuffle footage, this was the band 3rd Eye live on stage with their own shuffle crew, so this broadcast was done just 12 weeks later. There's also footage from Stelarc performances with the laser eyes and robotic 3rd hand. I'd been working with stelarc doing those performance and interactive video installtions for a few years. The movie is the great 'Day of The Triffids' alien plants that walk take over the earth It seemed an appropriate metaphor for real life Laughing

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Post by Garry on Tue 02 Dec 2008, 13:24

irishloz79 wrote:when i started shuffling in 98-99 lots of people did it on their toes and now when i go out i can only shuffle in heels! (embarrassing i know) but i get a heap of compliments about it, but it stems mostly from my irish dancing, coz you had to be on your toes all the time.

I'd forgotten about the toes. I mixed with a lot of contemporary classically trained dancers up at Dancehouse in Carlton, and none of them did toes anymore. Most of them had learnt toes as kids.

Really hard work, I never knew any guys who do toes, maybe for a few seconds to show off, but never serious work.

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Post by tristan mitch aka tiger on Wed 03 Dec 2008, 09:16

hello Razz heheh it is amazing how unlucky i can be lol! i mean what are the chances that your computer blows up in your face lol! just thank god i have inurance otherwise i would have cryed instead of laughed til crap'd my pants :'D

heheh and garry you know were i can download some of thease songs or something i cant seem to download from this site you recomended before :S maby name or something i can download from torrent or something
but any ways go back to the shoes xD anybody know a fast working way to get rid of the soles at least the pattern cuz... ehem uuuhh the cops got my sole pattern and im in deep sh*t if i dont erase the pattern lol! il be happily send anyone of you them if you want for free if you dont mind the smell :'D

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garry, read the CYbA TRYb ep 1 it sounds really good love how every name of most everything like the lanes and the name of the city reminds me of something ive read on this forum Very Happy
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Post by Garry on Wed 03 Dec 2008, 14:42

You've been working too hard tristan Laughing

Try here for the youtube downloader - it's freeware and works great. Also converts .flv files to .wmv http://youtubedownload.altervista.org/

Thanks about CYbA TRYb yeh I'm trying to be as geographically accurate as possible, like the saga's, then put a mix of real and fictional characters into the mix.

I'm concentrating on the first 6 years of the oldskool 1990-96. The building is Commerce House, which was the place to be. It was like the Melbourne underground HQ. Behind every door was another persons little universe, the way they lived, their stuff, their friends.

From horror magazine publishers Bloodsongs/ Big Bad Ralph to artists, fashion designers writers photographers, bands, RPG gamers, I did pirate TV broadcast parties from there, and in the basement the Commerce Club, which was raided by the Police a number of times, the last saw 460 patrons strip searched for drugs, and they sued the Police for going too far and won $10,000,000 settlement.

I'm covering those first years before anyone even knew we existed.

So the magician for instance is my old friend Sam Angelico, it's his old studio in Rankins Lane, and the guy is his real life apprentice Duck Cameron. But I just base the novel characters on them, not everything they do was really done by them - or was it?

I knew all the pro magicians in Australia late 80's I video'd a lot of their shows. They'd have big conferences at Halloween too. Unbelievable bunch of egos, you have no idea. each and everyone a 'performer' when ever they're together. I'd often be backstage with 20-30 magicians, there were feuds that had been going on for years haha, as always the best part of the show was backstage.

All nit picking over how well someone does tricks. Exactly the same as shufflers. Who started this or that style, who ripped off someone else. Of course I was often following Sam with the camera, who had a long standing international reputation and won international magic contests etc. He loved the attention and envy, there'll be quite a few escapades starting from Sam's studio.

Some are to secret clubs in Melbourne that have real shrunken heads and stuff.

So this is the building CYbA TRYb is based in, you'll see the archway she walks thru in ep 1 and the back alley where the theatre production is staged at midnight.

This footage was shot just after we'd been given 30 days to vacate the building in 1996. It heralded the end of the oldskool era - a very important time.

After this the scene fragmented some stayed underground and some went commercial.

So much of what is known and discussed on shuffle forums comes from the later commercial period, the actual oldskool era was nothing like it.

Shuffling wasn't something you did in clubs on a weekend, Shuffling was literally a way of life. You lived in the underground, it was 24 hours a day for 5-6 years. A completely immersive experience.

We'd basically created another world. It was fun Smile



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Post by de locke on Thu 04 Dec 2008, 00:38

PhiLL wrote:Hi Guys,

I am back( i was studying for the Science Fair of my school study )
And i ask your help more one time...
I tried searching google, but I didn´t find anything about it scratch .
so i´d like to know what are the equipments that a Dj uses in the night,
´cause i am gonna do a homework to my english course about Melbourne Shuffle, HardStyle and the life of a Dj.

Would someone help me Please Rolling Eyes ?

I'm a dj so I might be able to help you. When you say equipment do you mean the turntables, needles, speakers kind of deal. Or do you want to know more technical stuff?
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Post by Garry on Thu 04 Dec 2008, 01:34

Anytime you guys think learning how to shuffle is too hard, check out these shuffle kids from Malaysia. Some look just 6-7 years old, future pro shufflers for sure Wink


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Post by PhiLL on Fri 05 Dec 2008, 11:29

@Garry

Thank you man =D
That will help me Smile

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Post by Domicide2010 on Sat 20 Dec 2008, 09:01

so i just recently found out about shuffling about a week ago
and i've been watching many videos and trying to learn from them. the basic step are simple and not difficult to learn but when picking up the tempo, i don't feel like my steps are as solid and they dont feel right. also, doing the running man faster is a problem for me. so if you have any tips for me i would greatly appreciate it
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Post by Vicda on Sat 20 Dec 2008, 10:42

practice. It'll be hard 2 do it faster. Keep practicing and you'll get it.
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Post by Domicide2010 on Sat 20 Dec 2008, 14:44

thanks vicida.

just wondering vicida.
how long did it take you to shuffle as well as you do now?
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Post by Vicda on Sun 21 Dec 2008, 05:08

ive been doing for about 1 year. but it took 2 months of practice for me 2 go full speed.
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Post by Domicide2010 on Sun 21 Dec 2008, 11:42

oh sweet. and also is it better to start out slow without music?

sorry fer all the question man...
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Post by Vicda on Sun 21 Dec 2008, 19:03

don't worry man. I asked a ton of questions when i was learning.

Honestly this is a personal preference. slow Music or no music. I would recomend you do a mix of these three.
I started with hardstyle music. roughly 145-160 bpm. (beats per minute) was fun but i couldn't keep up. So i practiced at half the speed of the music. so 1 step per 2 beats. works but feels too slow after you understand the basic steps.
If you want some good starting music, find some songs in the 100-120 bpm range. Theres some great techno in that range, but you can shuffle to anything.
Lastly if no music is around or 2 lazy to turn it on, or what ever. It is still great practice 2 go without music. Your feet will make your own beat so go at the speed that you can.

Most important thing is to find your balance. This will only be found through practice. You'll be able to speed up with ease once you have this. Also, the better you understand the move, the faster you can go.
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Post by Domicide2010 on Mon 22 Dec 2008, 11:30

cool beans haha
thanks man i'll be back fer more soon
gtg practice! WHOOOO!
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Post by Drev on Fri 26 Dec 2008, 11:23

Hey guys just found out about suffle today i realy like the way it flows and hits to the beat. to get to the point I've checked out youtube and this sight a bit and i have just a cupple questions to ask. first i could use some Dj, bands, or artists thats i can practis to befor i can incorperate them to my style. Gota know the oldschool befor you can change it Very Happy. Also Phatz they kick ass what are the martieals i nead to make that uv/dayglow design. Cyber goths here will die when they see them.

Thanks for the help Very Happy
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Post by de locke on Sat 03 Jan 2009, 16:31

Domicide2010 wrote:oh sweet. and also is it better to start out slow without music?

sorry fer all the question man...

In my opinion its better to shuffle to music. To me what makes shuffling so impressive is the ability to dance to the beat and stay in time. Hence if you practice with music when you are learning you are more likely to dance in time as you improve. The difference between someone who dances in time with the beat and someone who doesn't is very noticeable.
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Post by Domicide2010 on Sun 11 Jan 2009, 20:45

Thanks de locke

im just starting to get it down and i'm decent at everything except the running man it's easy but just goin faster is weird cause it doesnt look/feel like im doin it right. any tips de locke?
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